December 3, 2018 – Veterans Memorial Commission Minutes
Veteran’s Memorial Commission — Proceedings by Authority
State of New York:
City of Jamestown: ss:
Mayor’s Conference Room
The regular meeting of the Veteran’s Memorial Commission of the City of Jamestown, New York was held on Thursday, June 10, 2019 at 4:00 p.m.
Members Present: Chairman Charles Telford, Members, Russell E. Diethrick Jr., Barclay Wellman, William J. Servis, George Spitale, Thomas Abbott, Theresa Baginski, Sharon Terwilliger
Members Absent: Daniel Kell
Others Present: Jeff Lehman
Chairman Telford called the meeting to order.
Mr. Spitale moved to approve the minutes from the meeting on December 3, 2018. Seconded by Mrs. Terwilliger.
Carried: 8 – 0
Mr. Telford reported a balance of $511.87 in the city’s account.
There is a balance of $30,861.17 in the Chautauqua Region Community Foundation account.
Mr. Telford: Now, June is not here. Is she coming do you know?
Mr. Diethrick: She was waiting for a notice to be here. The last time I talked to her she said she hadn’t heard whether she should be here or not.
Mr. Olson: I just mailed it to you assuming that I didn’t have to mail it to both places.
Mr. Diethrick: She looked at it and she said she didn’t get anything in the office.
Mr. Olson: I just sent it to the one place.
Mr. Diethrick: I had a sense that she would be here.
Mr. Telford: The one thing that we wanted to bring up at this meeting was the draft for the veterans endowment. We had talked about that a couple of years ago and we never really did anything about it and June is retiring so I thought we’d better discuss this and hopefully get this endowment in place. I think we were talking about $5,000.00 to open it. Does anybody recall?
Mr. Olson: That was the number.
Mr. Telford: Yes; anybody like to discuss or ask questions?
Mr. Spitale: Where’s the money going to come from?
Mr. Telford: Out of our budget. We’ve got plenty in there.
Mr. Spitale: I understand, but you’ve got to be careful about how you do it. You can’t use that money – the state designated it for the park or anything else.
Mr. Telford: Right. But we’ve got enough over and above that.
Mr. Spitale: Okay, just checking.
Mr. Telford: I do know that.
Mr. Diethrick: If you have a sense that you want to continue or not, I’m sure June will sit down with the proper people. I don’t mean anybody is not proper – to put it together the way the committee feels. I’m sure she would do that. She’ll be there the rest of this week.
Mr. Spitale: We should send her a thank you card from the committee too.
Mr. Telford: Absolutely. You’re absolutely correct.
Mr. Spitale: She did a lot of work for us.
Mr. Telford: You’re absolutely correct. Any thoughts? Any motions or anybody want to proceed with taking $5,000.00 and putting it toward an endowment? And that endowment would be for the maintenance in the future of the Veterans Park.
Mr. Spitale moved to proceed with the endowment. Seconded by Mr. Abbott.
Carried: 8 – 0
VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK
Mr. Telford: Jeff, can you give us an update as to where we might be in terms of the handicap parking?
Mr. Lehman: Phase 4 of the memorial is out to bid. Bids are due Friday. Assuming the bids come in at a reasonable price, we’ll take it to City Council a week from tonight.
Mr. Spitale: Is that for both, Jeff? The bids.
Mr. Lehman: That’s for the whole package; the pavilion, the parking, the curbing. We lumped it all into one project. And then I reported on two weeks from tonight, assuming it takes them two to three weeks to get contracts and get their submittals into us, like the different things like the pavilion for approval, we’re looking at probably at an August 1st start.
Mr. Spitale: Can you – you sent it out already, but we talked about power washing all the granite.
Mr. Lehman: That’s in there.
Mr. Spitale: That’s part of it too? Thank you. So, you listened to me.
Mr. Telford: Well, we had to. Very good, thank you. I appreciate that.
Ms. Terwilliger: Did that include the security too?
Mr. Lehman: The security cameras are already in. That did include that, but it’s not part of this. That’s already in place.
Mr. Spitale: Another question; are we going to have a bigger gazebo being that we got the extra money?
Mr. Lehman: Whatever I showed you last time hasn’t changed.
Mr. Spitale: The 20’ x 20’?
Mr. Lehman: I don’t know George; I’ll have to look at it. It’s whatever one we discussed at the last meeting.
Mr. Spitale: Yes, but this is 40’ x 40’.
Mr. Lehman: I don’t think it’s 40’ x 40’.
Mr. Spitale: We’ve got to get at least a 20’ x 20’.
Mr. Lehman: I’m sorry, it is on here. 28’ polygon, hexagon…
Mr. Spitale: Is it going to be this pattern here?
Mr. Lehman: It’s similar to that. I don’t think it has the cupula. I don’t think it has the cupula on that particular – I didn’t bring the pictures. It’s late in the game to be changing it at this point.
Mr. Telford: Right.
Mr. Lehman: You approved it. I didn’t approve it.
Mr. Spitale: And the plaque needs to be talked about.
Mr. Telford: We needed a plaque.
Mr. Spitale: Yes.
Mr. Telford: Refresh my memory.
Mr. Spitale: Well, we’re going to put a plaque on the stone for the committee.
Mr. Lehman: We’re working on the plaque. By September we’ll have the plaque ready.
Mr. Spitale: I didn’t know if you want to put Cathy Young’s name or all of them on there. I looked at the stadium…
Mr. Lehman: When we get the draft out, I will bring the draft for you to peruse.
Mr. Telford: And correct or add or subtract, whatever. Very good.
Mr. Lehman: We’ll let you finalize that.
Mr. Spitale: I can’t wait to get it done.
Mr. Telford: Yes. We can go around the table if there’s anything new that needs to be brought up. George?
Mr. Spitale: I think you covered everything I wanted. On the pavilion there, the railing is awful cheesy looking. I wonder if we need it.
Mr. Lehman: The railings? George, it’s been six weeks; I can’t remember if we have railings on that or not. I’m not sure what we bid out.
Mr. Spitale: Now when you’re bidding this out…
Mr. Lehman: I don’t believe we had any railings.
Mr. Spitale: Are you doing a sidewalk that goes up to that?
Mr. Lehman: This is what was in the bid package. There will be a sidewalk.
Mr. Servis: Everything is kind of flat. We don’t need railings.
Mr. Lehman: Yes, you’re not spilling out.
Mr. Telford: Right, it’s going right out to the lawn. It’s even.
Mr. Spitale: We did talk about if we had enough money to put a mural or something on that big stone. It’s blank on the other side. The gun smoke tombstone that we’ve got in there. We talked about that way before. If we had enough money we were going to talk to Gary Peters.
Mr. Lehman: Maybe after the bids come in and you can see how much you have.
Mr. Telford: I recall talking to Gary Peters about this down here.
Mr. Lehman: That’s where we talked about him doing them, on the back…
Mr. Telford: He was talking about putting up a painting in different…
Mr. Lehman: The firemen’s dormitory.
Mr. Spitale: It’s so blank. I just want that park to be one of the best.
Mr. Telford: Well I think right now it’s one of the best. It’s very clean, very nice looking, very attractive.
Mr. Spitale: The bricks need to be sealed too, Jeff. That’s all I’ve got.
Mr. Servis: I would just like everybody to do me a favor. People call me because they know I’m on this committee and they read about it in the paper and I have no clue what they’re talking about. There’s stuff going through the paper before I know what’s going on. I didn’t know about this until I read it in the paper. I didn’t know about the gazebo and the handicap. Of course, I was here so I know about the meeting. But all of the sudden my brother’s calling me from Buffalo and wants to know what’s going on. I don’t have a clue because none of that got discussed in here. I want to discuss things here before going to the paper.
Mr. Telford: Well, I think those things where discussed and I think that you missed quite a bit of time.
Mr. Lehman: This plan hasn’t changed, hardly at all in the past year and a half.
Mr. Telford: No, we haven’t changed a thing.
Mr. Servis: No, but it’s been two years and all of the sudden now, they’re lambasting me and it’s like, wait a minute, we never discussed when it’s going to happen.
Mr. Lehman: When it’s going to happen?
Mr. Servis: Because we have been promised this for the last two years.
Mr. Lehman: We talked about it; it would go out to bid after Memorial Day so that we didn’t mess up the park.
Mr. Servis: We talked about it before that too.
Mr. Lehman: It’s been…
Mr. Servis: Don’t you remember before Rodney’s rock got there. I brought It up for the gazebo then.
Mr. Lehman: We had to wait for the additional money from Cathy Young to clear. The money just…
Mr. Servis: We discussed this forever and ever and now it’s in the paper before I even know about it.
Mr. Telford: Well, why I don’t know.
Mr. Spitale: What Bill’s saying, and I have to agree, you’ve got a committee and when you see stuff going on that the committee has no idea about. People think they can just bypass us. Pete Carlo wanted to put a tank there. I put a stop to that. He got all pissed off at me.
Mr. Servis: As far as I was concerned after I saw that, let Pete Carlo put a tank in there. Let somebody put a battleship in there. What’s the difference?
Mr. Telford: No, we have a very nice park and we’re going to keep it a very nice park.
Mr. Spitale: He wanted a tank, so he wrote a nasty letter to me. He’ll get over it.
Mr. Telford: Jeff, anything?
Mr. Lehman: I have nothing.
Mr. Servis: We don’t want to listen to him anyways.
Mr. Telford: Russ?
Mr. Diethrick: No.
Mr. Telford: Tom?
Mr. Abbott: Anybody think about maybe putting some bushes around the peripheral?
Mr. Spitale: There’s plenty of bushes.
Mr. Abbott: I know we’re going to have people walking around there and stuff like there, but I did just see the need if we can limit some of the walking around…
Mr. Spitale: Where are you talking? Where the stones are?
Mr. Abbott: Yes, around the other side. Just to…
Mr. Spitale: Well, there will be sidewalk after.
Mr. Abbott: There will be?
Mr. Spitale: To the gazebo.
Mr. Abbott: Well, I just think for scenery. Like I say, that park is just really nice and I wouldn’t mind it looking better.
Mr. Spitale: We had talked at one time about putting a fence around there, the ones with the chain that the Navy has, just to keep people from walking on it.
Mr. Abbott: Well, you know where I’m going with that.
Mr. Telford: If we put a nice fence like the Navy, then the Army’s going to be upset. Sharon?
Ms. Terwilliger: I’m fine.
Mr. Telford: General?
Mr. Wellman: I think things are fine.
Mr. Telford: Teresa? Okay. I will bring up also that I received a number of phone calls from Pete Carlo. He had this grandiose idea of putting a tank in this park. I received a minimum of one phone call every day and then when the phone calls got up to three a day, I lost my cool and I wasn’t very nice to Mr. Carlo and I haven’t heard from him since.
Mr. Spitale: That makes two of us.
Mr. Telford: First of all, I said, who’s paying for this Pete? Number one, you’re going to have to have a concrete block to put the thing on, you’re going to have to put a fence up so that you have liability with kids climbing on it. I’m sorry, I’m a veteran and that doesn’t turn me on in the least.
Mr. Spitale: I told him; those go on the post. They don’t go in a park.
Mr. Telford: I told him I would bring it up at our next meeting. I have brought it up.
Mr. Spitale: I vote no.
Mr. Telford Yes, I totally agree.
Mr. Spitale: You should see the letter he sent me. That wasn’t’ very nice either.
Mr. Telford: That’s probably because I wasn’t very nice to him and he’s taking it out on you.
Ms. Baginski: Is he the man that walks around with all the flags all the time?
Mr. Telford: Yes.
Ms. Baginski: Strong personality.
Mr. Telford: Very strong, absolutely. And I don’t mind receiving a phone call from any of you. But, one a day is plenty. When it gets up to three a day then I might have something to say. If there is nothing else, we will wait until we know how things proceed in regards to the city getting things going over there.
Mr. Spitale: Someday I’d like to see one of these flags at Veterans Park.
Mr. Telford; That would be nice. I’m not sure who takes care of that.
Mr. Abbott: I’d like to make sure the minutes are mailed out after the meeting. And not wait until the…
Mr. Servis: Well we had a new guy the last time. Now we got another new guy, you can yell at him.
Mr. Telford: And this new guy knows what he’s doing.
Mr. Servis: That’s a matter of opinion.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned.
James N. Olson, Director of Administrative Services/City Clerk